Ive seen some horrible fakes! And then ive seen some good looking fakes. Fact of the matter is is to try to stop it. With all these fakes being produced and being cycled into the system it will stress out guitarists that want ESP's. Especially when your trying to find older models on ebay. A GEM like an MX-250 is being faked alot. Now i have to contact multiple people to make sure the esp's im getting are legit. Damn these crap companies faking stuff.
Why not help us help you help us? Give us a damn serial number database. Let us register guitars so duplicated serials can be uncovered. I have long loved ESP/LTD both, but why make this generalized announcement about you and us both getting scammed if you have no desire to help stop it? Mid 2013 you became aware there were fake ESP's out there? A little late to the game brother, aren't we? I am not sure if you can see how this statement is seen by the consumers or not, but it could be as damaging to your reputation as the fake guitars are. A decade into fakes hitting the market, the company announces they are aware of fakes, consumers need to be more vigilant, and good luck. The ESP/LTD name doesn't only exist on the windows of storefronts, it is more at home in the hearts, mouths, and ears of the fans and consumers. 1 crappy fake will most likely be sold or traded off in the used market multiple times. It isn't just one fake was sold, so one genuine article sale was lost. 1 fake sold could cause a dozen people, espesscially those new to guitars, to be put off by the brand, and never consider buying them again. No one will want it, so it will be resold many more times than a genuine ESP would be.
Even if your records of past serial numbers isn't immaculant, start now, and use what you have. Building the database is simple, but of course all the data entry of the models, years, serials is time consuming. Sounds like a job for interns.
I agree. Do something like send out a mass message on Facebook and Twitter to tell ESP owners to register their serial numbers. That will reach a large audience and after that anyone who didn't see it will know by word of mouth. It's never too late to start a database, and it's especially necessary for a brand as huge as ESP. I'm currently looking at a custom shop EX (local seller), but I can't find any info on the serial to decide weather it's real or fake.
I'm about to buy a used ESP Horizon hrf nt. In the catauloge it says the guitar has Gotoh locking tuners but this one doesn't. The tuners are gotoh but no locking tuners, is it a fake or are som released without lokking tuners?
I know this is a problem and I've never bought a fake esp/ltd. What I think its funny is that esp started out copying gibson stuff haha. But whatever I think esp's guitars and basses are better than gibson's guitars and basses. Sucks that people are ruining great instruments with fake ones and selling them cheap.
I agree with what others are saying here. A database would help alot. The limited run models and sign really need it seeing how those are the most faked. I see so many fake iron crosses and mx guitars. I'm even seeing slot of fake jh-3 and jh-2 lately and the kh-ouijas. These need a serial database to check and dome sort of verification process. I seen a snake byte last week with fake coa and all. It's getting hard luckily for the ones that have played a lot of legit esp guitars we can just tell by playing it but alot don't know any better.
Shut down rareelectricguitar.com. They try to do all of the copies. They are even doing copies of the old ESP explorers (MX-220 and the MX-250) that ESP got sued for in the first place. I heard they are junk anyway.
Maybe. Just look for things like how well it stays in tune, or if just feels like crap, and stuff like that. Even though it is a bottom end range LTD, it sould play pretty good if it is real. The serial number thing is kind of suspicious though...look into it. Good luck man
Even their authorized dealers sell counterfeit ESP's from time to time (possibly not knowlingly). I know because I ended up with 2 fake ESP's from GuitarCenter, they did take them back and gave me a full refund, when I provided proof that they were fraudulent. However they relisted them shortly after, just as they had when I bought them.
The only way to know for sure if yours is the "real deal" is to take it to an ESP collector (like myself), or a dealer that truly specializes in ESP guitars.
"Even their authorized dealers sell counterfeit ESP's from time to time (possibly not knowlingly)"
How is that possible? How can an authorized ESP dealer uknowingly get a fake ESP? If they're authorized dealers, they get their ESPs straight from ESP. The only way to get fake ESPs would be getting them from someone else, and why would they do that if they are already getting them straight from ESP?
This post is great and all, but I dare you to email ESP your SN to see if they will help you verify if you have a fake or not. They will not even tell me where I can get obscure replacement parts that they manufacture for mine. I mean, I can understand the hundreds or thousands of inquiries, ESP must get regarding whether or not a guitar is real or fake and could not possibly hand answer them all, but at least make a resource available for customers to do their own research. An online database of serial numbers or something. It's 2014 not 1991, surely this is possible with little effort. We pay a premium for the instruments you sell, you could at least acknowledge that we respect and are interested in the brand.