• Pushead

       As an impartial observer, I tend to believe Erick's side of the story. Where I start to disagree with him is the whole idea of who pays for the return shipping once the deal went south.

      In my mind (and in the one and only bad deal I've made in a transaction) return shipping is paid by the buyer.  Here's how I figure that: I paid $1000 shipped for a guitar. So that means the guitar and the price of shipping to me was paid by me.  When Paypal returned the $1000 to me, it means the original owner was out the price of shipping the guitar to me, or realistically he paid to have it shipped.  It became my responsibility, out of that $1000 to pay for the shipping to make him whole.

      At the end of the deal, we were both out $40 for shipping, but I had my money and he had his guitar.

      Unfortunately Erick, this one is on you. It doesn't matter how much of a scammer Peter is (and I have a feeling it's the type of scam he's run before), he was never made whole by the situation.

      Frankly, it's bad form by both of you on this deal.

      Case closed, court is adjourned.

    • Madrocker P.

      Holy cow Erick. I cant believe you condone stealing a $4000 guitar and not returning it after reversing the charges. You didnt tell EZ that the guitar wasnt yours when you sold it to him for $5000. Here's the link of him selling it when I found out about it you liar.

      https://reverb.com/item/3780794-washburn-dime-3-usa-diamond-plate-stealth-dimeplate-dimebag-darrell 

         It wasnt beat up at all but had shipping damage. How is it that a reputable ESP forum member EZguitars can recently sell the guitar for $5000??? 

      You can sit here and stoop to threatening me all day long but thats not my style dude. You werent happy with the guitar so thats more then fine to get your money back but then return my property. Your shipping address linked to paypal was Illinois and not Russia and all of a sudden you want to charge me shipping from Russia to get my guitar back???

      I tried for a very long time to get my guitar back which fell on deaf ears. It got to the point what else can I do until I seen my guitar up for sale by EZGUITARS this past December 2016 for $5000. Thats when it all became clear you took and sold my guitar for profit! I dont think EZ would have bought it if it was in the condition you say! Im happy the Reverb ad has detailed pictures. 

      Please do whats right Erick as you basically made $4000 plus selling the guitar to EZ by not returning it to me.

      Oh anyone needing the paypal log of the charge and reversal are welcome to it along with paypal communication for Erick to return the guitar.

       

      • Tafi (TR)

        i bought his (in 2016) two 1989 Mx220 ''eet fuk'' guitars and they are here and Erick is best seller for me! very good contact and help for everything ! I dont worry about these.. and he do everything correct with you! you want to cheat him, and you didn't take guitar. what you want now?

    • Pushead

      After these stories, I wouldn't buy from or sell anything to either of them.

    • Madrocker P.

      Response to Tafi, 

      Im happy you had a good trading experience with Erick. 

      My experience wasnt good at all with Erick and thats why he got his $4000 back. It was his responsibility to return my $4000 guitar and he didnt. Instead he sold it to ESP forum member EZGUITARS for $5000 where Erick stuck the money in his pocket.

      Erick do the right thing as you have lost nothing and only profited

    • Pushead

      Peter, why such a long time between the sale and when you're raising such a ruckus about it?  If it's a $4000 guitar you're so adamant about making right, why didn't you just pay the $150 to get it shipped back to you when the deal was over?  Sure it was Erick's responsibility, but instead of being out $4000, you're only out $300.  Call him an asshole and deal with UPS on your own about the "damage that occured in shipping"?

      Could it be because you didn't want the broken guitar you sold him back?

      And who in their right mind buys a Washburn with a neck repair for $5000+$200 for shipping?  What a world we live in.

      • Madrocker P.

        All along I wanted my guitar back after Erick reversed the $4000 payment. If you look in my profile pic there are 2 diamondplate guitars in my dime collection as Im always rotating guitars. The reason for the long time between the sale and me going public with this situation is because there was no communication with Erick after I got paypal to get on his case for him to return the guitar to me. That basically brought our communication to a standistill until I received an email that he would ship the guitar from Russia at my expense. I did have a FedEx account number I was willing to provide but there was no further response. No further replies to emails until I saw my guitar for sale with EZGUITARS this past December 2016 for $5000. EZ confirmed that Erick sold him my guitar.

        I simply wanted my guitar back as Erick got his $4000 refunded. Both party's were unhappy but I dont think it gives the right for Erick to sell my guitar for profit. I simply want whats right.

      • Pushead

        So why not just pay the $150 and be done with it? Call him an asshole and move on?

    • Valhall_Viking

      Neutral comment coming through 

      Those ESP KKVs are sick.

      Kerry actually looked somewhat decent back in the day. 

    • BlackJack21

      I've never heard anything bad about Erick, and think he's a good guy. Going public on a forum really isn't going to solve anything is it? I mean if your message to us is just "be careful", thanks as every transaction you do online is buyer beware, but we have no power to change the current situation you are in, and I tend to favor a member who's been on here for 3 years over 3 days, but that's just me.

      • Madrocker P.

        You are entitled to your opinion of course. 

        I tried emailing him but no response till this day so no choice but to go public.

        We made a guitar transactien where buyer Erick not happy so he gets his full $4000 refunded. How am I not entiteled to get my $4000 guitar back? 

        I have the PayPal receipts plus paypal communication asking Eric to return the guitar anyone who would like to see.

    • Big Daddy B

      Did you try taking up your issue with PayPal?

      • Madrocker P.

        I sure did contact Paypal and all they could do is communicate to buyer Erick that he was obligated to return my guitar after he charged back the $4000. PayPal sent him numerous emails to that effect to no avail. Beyond that its seller beware as paypal wont protect you. I lose with $0 for my guitar that Erick sells to EZGUITARS for $5000

      • Big Daddy B

        I would think if the buyer could not provide tracking showing the guitar was sent back to you they would be able to refund you the money. Otherwise, that would probably be a fairly common scam.

    • ESPEXP

      Here's an idea...pay the $150 to get your $4k guitar back...lesson learned.

      • Pushead

        Exactly.

      • Madrocker P.

        Thats a lessen learned for sure as I thought Id be protected by paypal as the seller. Doing a transaction simply though paypal I was not as all they did was email Erick to return the guitar on numerous occasions.

        Lesson is learned where Erick gets his $4000 refunded PLUS he keeps my guitar for free $0 which he sells for $5000 to EZGUITARS.

        Nice little scam as I simply want whats owed to me. Shipping cost was the issue before; well now he sold the guitar and can easily reimburse me the $4000. and still be left with a $1000 profit. He claims what a horrible trader I am well then Erick should lead by example and do the right thing and be the better man. Good luck to that idea.

         

         

         

    • Road King

      What a wild story.

      I remember when I sold something on eBay and 3 weeks later the buyer wanted to return it. PayPal refunded him, but he never returned the item or provided a shipping tracking number. Then I got the money back.

      So I'm confused how Peter didn't get the money back if Erick never provided PayPal with a shipping tracking number.

    • Madrocker P.

      When buyer Erick decided to go ahead with the refund of $4000 then the seller me only has a week or 10 days to confirm or dispute the refund. If there is no response the money is released to Erick. I was away on exercise with my army unit when Erick reversed charges and the money was already released to him when I got home. I contacted paypal and they said they would do everything to help by contacting Erick to return my guitar as he got his $4000 back but beyond that nothing as the money was already released to him. Basically Erick had the choice of doing the right thing by returning the guitar to me or turning a profit by selling it. 

    • Big Daddy B

      Madrocker, if you feel you are/were already out the $4K, why did you spend $5K to buy back a guitar you didn't want and be out an additional grand. Or if you bought it from EZ for $4K why would they take a $1K loss?  Neither of those scenarios make much sense.

      • Madrocker P.

        I never ever said I didnt want this guitar back.  I own one of the larger USA dime collections around and I'm always on the look out for USA Dimes. I wasnt 100% sure it was my guitar made available when fellow board member EZ guitars put it up for sale on Reverb in december 2016. I bought the guitar in January 2017 by placing an offer on it where EZ accepted my $4000 offer. Once I received the guitar I was able to confirm it was the one involved in the deal with Erick. I asked EZ  if he bought the guitar from Erick which he confirmed and where he also confirmed he paid more them the $4000 selling price to me. You'd have to ask forum member EZguitars why he was willing to take a loss on it.

    • Big Daddy B

      What a wild story.

      I remember when I sold something on eBay and 3 weeks later the buyer wanted to return it. PayPal refunded him, but he never returned the item or provided a shipping tracking number. Then I got the money back.

      So I'm confused how Peter didn't get the money back if Erick never provided PayPal with a shipping tracking number.

       

      It sounded like Erick filed his claim by the deadline and then PayPal gave Peter a window of time to respond and he was unable to meet their deadline so PayPal gave Erick his money back and never asked him to ship the guitar back since Peter had never responded to them. That is not totally uncommon.

      I have had a few instances where PayPal and eBay have ruled on my side on a buyer and never told me to send the item back...but it has never been a $4K item and it was almost always when the seller never responded within their alotted timeframe. The only time I recall where it wasn't is when a seller sold me a counterfeit pair of nikes. I told the seller and they immediately gave me a refund. Then like a week later there were like where are the shoes so I told them I threw them in the trash where they belonged, which I actually did. They were a little bent because I think they were gonna try and sell them again to someone else but I forwarded them the email from ebay stating there was no need to ship the item back and go ahead and keep it and told them to take it up with ebay if they had a problem with it.

      I would add that I have bought and sold stuff on the internet for 20 years and any time I have had a case with eBay or PayPal as a buyer or seller, it was always handled in a fair manner. You just have to make sure you know your rights and the timetables. And always use the case system provided by the vendor otherwise you may waive certain rights. I have had a few occassions where guitars arrived not as described and always got prepaid shipping or shipping refunded to me to send the guitar back (and usually original shipping costs as well). Had I worked directly with the seller outside of the system, that may have not been the case. I have no horse in this race and don't know either party but it is interesting to see their responses because both are so passionate and in all liklihood, the facts are probably somewhere in the middle. I am inclined to believe PayPal probably made the best judgement with the information they had. They usually don't make a snap decision on a transaction this large.

       

    • Madrocker P.

      Thank you for chiming in Big Daddy as it is the voice of reason speaking in regards to paypal and ebay transactions. You are100% correct when you say there are timelines to be upheld with paypal when disputing or in ths case buyer Erick requesting a full refund. The refund is intially frozen by paypal where the seller can either confirm or dispute the refund where I missed the window while away on execises with my arrmy unit. This means the money was released before I could confirm Erick had shipped the guitar back to me. I immedately contacted paypal when I got home whom assured me to continue contacting Erick with messages to return my guitar as he received his full refund. The ball was in Ericks court if he was gong to do the right thing and return my guitar to me OR keep my guitar for a 100% profit sale of $5000 to ESP forum member EZguitars and keep all the money for himself. Unfortunately for me it was the latter choice.


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