• Giò

    Could someone from ESP can clarify the ESP EII vs ESP STANDARD dylemma once and for all?

    I bought a EII horizon fr. You can see her on my profile picture. When I ordered the guitar my dealer told me that EII was the rebranded ESP STANDARD, so acutally I was going to buy a STANDARD with a different brand: EII.

    Whae the guitar arrived I noticed several imperfections. One inlay was cracked and the other was not inserted in the neck precisely; I found a hole filled with wood plaster on the 15th fret. The guitar is awesome, very good soud and feeling but for 1800€ I was expecting better finishes.

    So I started searching on the web and I red several people saying that tha new EII series is actually the old LTD ELITE, and judging from the finishes on my guitar I could belive it.

    So please, "Could someone from ESP can clarify the ESP EII vs ESP STANDARD dylemma once and for all?"

    • Deni

      I'm not from ESP but this might help you with the clarifiation.

      E-II aren't rebranded Esp standards. All Esp standards I've touched are perfect. All E-II's I've touched have imperfections. 

      There's something different and I think that the E-II guitars are manufactured in similar ways to the LTD Deluxe-guitars. 
      It might also be that the E-II guitars are rebranded B-stock Esp Standards. 


      If  I were you, I'd ask for my money back and buy myself a used Esp standard for half the price. I have 4 Esp Standards and I bought all of them used. There's not one detail on any of them that's a manufacturing mistake. 

    • synyster_slash

      Apparently they merged ESP standard + LTD Elite into the E-II brand.

      If I remember correctly the 'LTD elite' line were basically just edwards guitars for the western market, which as far as I know partially built in China before reaching Japan.

    • Seb G.

      Agreed : Edward = LTD Elite = New "E-II" branding. They added the "standard" stamp on it just so you'd beleive it makes it as good as a reel Standard.

      Unfortunatly, you will now get a fraction of the quality of an ESP Standard from 2013 and under for the same price you paid last year.

      I cant quite explain why a Japaneese ESP is now 5k, i guess it's because of their new US shop... to push sale....

      I think it's a shame, i'll never be able to buy an ESP eve again and i sure wont spend 2k on a "sub product"

    • 6-String

      This is some of what ESP has said in the past on this forum and on their FB page and website.

      Jeff K. wrote on Jan 13, 2014 at 3:50 PM
      None. LTD Elite has been folded into the E-II line, since they were equal high-quality guitars being made in our Japan factory.

      ESP Guitars John: all of our brands are "real ESP's". Our E-II Series in particular is made in Japan by ESP luthiers, and can save you some money compared to our higher-end models. If you want an ESP Original or ESP Custom Shop, we have those available as well. Thanks for writing.

      ESP Guitars Apparently, there's some misunderstanding about what E-II is, and we're thankful for your responses that let us know about it! We'll put together an article that will help you understand, but E-II *is* ESP, the same high-quality guitars that were formerly called "ESP Standard", built by the same people in the same place. We'll have more to tell you soon. Thanks!

      ESP E-II is our newest product series. Made in Japan by our experienced luthiers, ESP E-II represents a more affordable way to take advantage of excellent Japan-built ESP guitars and basses. See the whole E-II Series here: Products - E-II Guitars - The ESP Guitar Company

      ESP E-II: The New Standard Made in our Japan factory, ESP E-II offers the level of quality youʼve come to know from our standard ESP guitars and basses, with high-quality workmanship and professional components. The ESP E-II Series includes some of the new designs appearing in the ESP Original Series, plus some classic ESP models, for a slightly more affordable price than the Originals.

      • Torsten

        I own an LTD-Elite...It's not quite up to the ESP Standard I own, not by a long shot.  If that's the quality/tone/playability level of the E-II's then they are indeed a step down.  There are some great deals on ESP Standards (script or block logo) still available out there, more often or not less than the E-II version with the same finish.  

    • Stevie Strings

      Again, in reference to my post about the ESP fakes and poor Giò's question above... ESP loves to give "info" warning you that fakes are in the field, but when posed a question, on their own damn forum as to how to validate real Vs fakes or identify guitar lines... Crickets!!!

      So instead of clarification from ESP, we will just get conjecture from other players. This sucks. Way to support your players and the brand. Fooie.

    • Dave R.

      E-II is the re-branded Standard Series.

    • King Nothing

      So, whatever ESP Standard (FX for example) that I find in a store right now is just left over from before the reorganization of ESP lines?

       

      Thanks,

      Steve

    • Dave R.

      That's right Steve.

    • R.H.

      I have some Edwards and Esp Standards (old beautiful Logo) and have played some E-ll and LTD Elite with the idea of buying some new ESP guitar, but definitely after my experience with them, I will watch the second hand market.

      The E-ll and LTD Elite aren't' even better than my Edwards talking about finishes, so ESP can say whatever they want but according to my experience, those new lines aren't like the ESP Standard series!.

      I don't know who was the "genius" marketing advisor who makes ESP do that "unintelligent" marketing movement with the names, but that just makes people feel distrustful about the company. Well that happens to me now!.

    • Steve g.

      I did complain about the rebranding and got a new jackson but my old m2s are still my favorite. So I tryed a e2...... NOT EVEN AS GOOD the finish had blemishs and the guitar did not feel like me old m2.... Hay ESP I tryed!!!! IMHO the old ESPs were the best. You realy need to look at that and many go back. You had the best thing going..... It WASENT BROKE why fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!


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